I was attempting to warn people about the mark, and about how it would show up, (I was wrong on that point. I assumed it would be "forced" upon people at the outset, and that people would see it as worship of the antichrist) and a man emailed me and told me he NOW has it!!!!
Subject: Re: free permanant id?
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:10:38 -0500
From:
Nelda Baierl To:
tic@mailserver.dir.state.tx.us, group@spintheweb.com
Jason
The primary function of the Department of Information Resources is to provide
the strategic and policy direction for implementation and management of computer
technology in Texas state government. We have researched the issue raised in
your request to us and find no indication of a program such as you describe
currently being carried out in the state of Texas. I have visited the governor's
web page that describes the major initiatives before the governor at this time
and do not see any discussion of the program you describe. You may wish to visit
that page as well - the web address is:
http://www.governor.state.tx.us/major_initiatives/initiatives_index.html
I'm sorry we couldn't be of more assistance.
______________________________________________________________
Nel Baierl, Librarian Intern Email: nelda.baierl@dir.state.tx.us
Technology Information Center Phone: 512 475-4790
Dept of Information Resources FAX: 512 475-4759
http://www.dir.state.tx.us/TIC/
Hey Jason --
I've just spent a bit of time looking at some of the stuff on your site.
I remain unconvinced.
....
Next, there's your warning about how the mark is here now, and you cite
the message posted to usenet in alt.atheism yesterday from John Hatton
as evidence. This was later revealed to be a hoax. A practical joke,
at your expense, I might add. Sorry, but there's really no other way to
put that. Here's the message, in case you missed it:
--- Begin Quoted Message ---
Subject: Re: Would atheists accept the 666 mark?
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 00:24:53 GMT
From: john-hattan@bigfoot.com (John Hattan)
Organization: The Code Zone
Newsgroups: alt.atheism
tware@geocities.com (Therion Ware) wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:42:28 GMT, john-hattan@bigfoot.com (John
>Hattan) wrote in alt.atheism:
>
>... the starting point for another urban legend which will probably be
>cited time and again and again and again....
To cap it all off, the genius bought my story hook, line, and sinker!
He emailed me a couple times asking questions about my infrared tattoo.
He finally asked me for my phone number so he could verify the facts. I
gave him the number of a dirty joke hotline in New York :)
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john-hattan@bigfoot.com http://www.bitsmart.com/shatner
--- End Quoted message ---
I don't have any evidence that the second message is true, and I'd wager
that you don't either. Step back and look at it from my point of view
for a second (never mind the atheism). You quote the message "...my
friend ellen said the dentist puts them in fillings now too..." You've
gotta be kidding me... A friend of an unknown emailer claims the dentist
(which one? Where? What's his name?) puts these units in fillings, and
you're all over it without the slightest shred of proof or verification.
Finally, your statement that "The USA is already 98-99% cashless." is so
incredible, I have to ask for your source of that information.
Oh, and by the way, please don't come back at me with any of the "well,
it says so in the bible..." defenses that are so common. To me, the
revelation story is just as unverifiable and unsubstantiated as the rest
of this stuff.
Thanks
ken
Subject:
Jason Hommel group@spintheweb.com> wrote:
>Will atheists accept the mark of the beast?
First off, your subject is a red herring. The Bible says that the Beast
>Would you take a biochip implant that had all your financial information
Actually, you can get a biochip or an infrared tattoo. North Texas is
a
>Or would you stand by your own convictions, and accept the death penalty
Where have you been? It's under way!
>The mark is coming. it was predicted in the Bible. Proof
of it coming
Actually, I already got it, as North Texas is a test site for Mark
Most folks were going with the tattoo. Some parents were getting the
Unfortunately, it can't be used as an embedded debit card yet. Since
It's funny. I didn't give the Mark a second thought when I got it. I
was
Can't even tell it's there now, unless I get it under a flourescent
>So, the question is, what will you do when the decision is presented
Don't be silly. There were no strong-arm tactics at all. Another woman
>Do you feel you need to know more to be able to make such a decision?
As mentioned above, I've already decided.
---
Here is a follow up letter from the same guy;
> Can I quote you on this? That you say you already have it?
I suppose so.
> How long ago did you get it? (Asked on 4-12-99)
About a month ago.
> Did they put it in your right hand or your left?
Right hand.
> Was it important which hand it went on?
I guess so. She asked for me to put my right hand under the imprinter. I
didn't ask if I could've put it on the left. Didn't make much difference to
me.
on 4-13-99...
my daughter went to have her vaccinations for school the other day. The
doctor, and this is an HMO, asked if i wanted a kind of invisible ID chip
inserted as well. It would have her name , social security number, etc. on
it and would be easily tracked should she ever be kid-napped. I was wary
and said no, the my friend ellen said the dentist puts them in fillings now
too! I'm very scared but I'm not so worried because I believe the world
will end before we have acomplete police state. Oh, the world is scary,
all we can do now is pray and not let the government go to far befor ethe
end. Have a blessed day.
Subject:
the Mark? you mean Unicheck?
Date:
Mon, 12 Apr 1999 19:59:51 EDT
From:
xxxxxxxx@aol.com
To:
group@spintheweb.com
I learned that someone here was interested in learning about microchip
implantation or product code/check verification infrared tattoos. John
Hattan? Are you the same JH I see when trolling alt.atheism? Sounds like
the tattoo is working out for you.
So Texas was/is a test sight too? I guess the Seattle area is, and I'm
thinking about doing it. It's free, and last I saw, it was at a tech job
fair at Seattle Center not long ago. I don't know where to go to have it
done now, but I know it's available, and pretty soon everyone will have one,
just like DVDs and such. Sounds like the next tech craze to me.
A couple I know got them about three months ago, and I guess scanners are
going to be installed at some grocery store checkstands in our area soon.
It's called Unicheck, and you can get a chip with all your info injected like
a Norplant, or a freaky little green tattoo. Our friends both opted for the
tattoos, and said the entire process took about ten seconds and was painless.
The tattoo is about an inch wide, and contains all their banking info, even
balances and cash available on debit and credit cards. You can get it on the
inside of your left wrist or forehead (which I thought was a little wierd,
actually). Our friends both went for the wrists.
Once the whole system is up and running, they will no longer need to carry
personal info. Life without carrying a wallet everywhere sounds pretty cool
to me. Sometime next year, the Dept. of Transportation might opt for the
system, as I've read the State of Washington has given it the green light (I
thought this was old news!). This may in the near future make a driver's
license obsolete - all pertinent info stamped right on the wrist! Cool. My
damn dog has an ID chip from the vet (old technology), why not me?
Additionally, this will reduce fraud and other crimes drastically. I'm all
for it.
Subject:
Texas implants
Date:
Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:24:51 -0500 (CDT)
From:
John Edens To:
group@spintheweb.com
Howdy!
Caught your messages about the Chip being tested down here in Texas. It
really is no big deal. It is part of a State of Texas initiative started
by the Govenor, George Bush Junior, to help streamline the different State
and County functions - things like Driver's Licenses, library cards,
school records, and so on.
Totally voluntary, of course, but it sure makes things a lot easier for me
since I don't have to keep as many cards and things around. And like that
first guy said, it is hooked into the banking system, so I can do things
like renewing my driver's license at the bank ATM.
I think you will hear a lot more about this system when Gov Bush starts
his presidential campaign ads. He used stories about it down here during
his last campaign for govenor to show how in touch he is with technology
and really explained how it will save the taxpayers a lot of money. Even
if Gov Bush doesn't win the election, I bet Gore will use this idea - it
just makes sense!
Hope this helps!
More rumors of tatoos or biochips in people's hands...
Rumors, because nothing has been verified.
Scroll to the end of the page at this link;
Cashless in 1999?
-------------------
Re: Would atheists accept the 666 mark?
Date:
Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:43:56 GMT
From:
john-hattan@bigfoot.com (John Hattan)
Organization:
The Code Zone
To:
Jason Hommel <group@spintheweb.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.atheism
References:
1
can be identified by a 666. It doesn't say that the mark itself has
a
666. That was something invented by Jack Chick for his comics.
>on it, that you could use to buy and sell, and the act of taking it
was
>shown to be an act of worship to a man claiming to be God?
test site.
>for not worshiping a man who claims to be God?
>
>That's the issue that is stated in Revelation 13...
>
>the fulfillment of which is now technologically possible.
>to pass is proof that God exists and predicted it.
Technologies(tm). Instead of the chip, I went with the infrared tattoo.
While the chip is harder to detect or remove, the tattoo was painless
and currently works with existing laser-scanners. Most of the shops
that
currently accept The Mark don't have the inductive-coil reader that
the
chip requires.
chip for the younger kids because the induction readers would be
everywhere by the time they started using it.
cash hasn't yet been fully eliminated here, it's just used for
verification --I use it in conjunction with my regular checks. It's
quite convenient, as my bank finally tied itself in with the system
a
couple of months ago. Makes check-cashing a breeze.
dragging some old books down to the library to donate, and there was
a
mobile ID station there. As I was walking out, a lady asked if I wanted
my free permanant ID. I figured, "what the heck, it's free". Ten minutes
later, I had it. She had to re-type my form into the computer, which
I
thought was rather redundant, but she wanted to get all the info correct
before I left. I imagine they'll have things more streamlined when
they
go nationwide.
light at just the right angle. Looks like little concentric circles,
about 1/2" in diameter. I always figured it'd look like a UPC code,
but
I guess a circular bar-code is easier, because it can be scanned from
any angle.
>that you can either take the mark of the beast or accept death by
>beheading?
leaving the library said she wasn't interested in the ID. She got in
her
car and drove away.
John Hattan
Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john-hattan@bigfoot.com http://www.bitsmart.com/shatner
A second man emailed me about this:
A third man emailed me about this:
A fourth man emailed me about this:
This and all the rest turned out to be FALSE REPORTS. FALSE WITNESSES.